Quote from: Mikegov on 19, September, 2019, 17:18:25 pm

The article I linked to actually reference a number of meta- analysis all of which did not show any benefit to fibre intake in combating heart disease and bowel cancer.

The reason I referenced the article was not simply because it referenced meta-analysis but because it showed how a lot of how our dietary guidelines originate with vested interest jumping in to profit from theories that do not turn out to be true.

Mike

true , but I can post a lot of meta's that show fibre is linked with a direct decrease of CVD and higher mortality , veganism is one extreme, carnivore is another , personally think you can have a balance between the two and be fine.

I like meat and et a lot of it, I also eat a lot of dairy, bread, veg , fibre and EFA's , we can survive on either , i just think skipping food groups to stay part of a diet tribe is a bit dumb . If im dieting then im going to fill up on veg , if im bulking I am going to throw some bread/rice and nuts in there .  when my diet was completely devoid of fibre I did get some serious piles ( possibly a coincidence)

So if we can both post metas showing opposite results then the need for fibre seems far from conclusive.

I am with you regarding the tribal aspects of diet although to be fair from the podcasts I've listened to/articles I've read about; the carnivores in question have never come across as anything but people who realise, that for them, vegetable consumption is problematic and that perhaps more people should consider that if they are also having similar problems. That attitude is far removed from the militancy and histrionics that seems to pervade the vegan tribe.

Mike

But what constitutes a "proper study"? Perhaps I'm being pedantic but a lot of studies nowadays are very bias; funded by industries that benefit from the conclusion of the study. How many of majority of the studies on fibre were funded by people who benefit from the idea that we need more fibre? Or more wholegrains? And there were plenty of studies years ago that proposed to show how bad cholesterol was for us.

There are a lot of factors as to the cause of CVD and to attribute it to just one is an oversimplification. A very good (and very long) series of articles on what causes heart disease can be found written by Dr Malcolm Kendrick - his book is excellent too.

I think people in general should adopt an n=1 approach to their health. By all means start with the consensus view on what is healthy but then start to explore what works best for them - the "one size fits all" approach to dietary guidelines is ridiculous at best

Mike

Shawn Baker has set multiple world records for static rowing so low energy is not a problem for him.

It's easy to be dismissve of diets based on perceptions that are wrong - we are all different. If you can find a diet that cures illness, makes you feel or perform better then crack on.

I haven't done carnivore but have read about it/listened to a lot of podcasts. A lot of people seem to have success turning to it to fix health issues. If it works for you then that's great, no one diet suitable for everyone.

I've done keto for about 18 months now to fix some health issues and I feel great on it and even do weights without the need for additional carbs although it may not be the best diet for high intensity activities such as MMA. I also think that an increase in cholesterol may not necessarily be a bad thing - plenty of evidence to suggest that cholesterol levels may not be the bad guy when it comes to CVD.