I remember reading that now. Virology had refuted itself and the scientists gave up on the theory in the early 50s not seen under the electron microscope. Was thought to be the death of cells and waste products seen it the decomposing process. No control experiments had been carried out.

What I don't understand is why give up back then if you haven't done the controls? Once you have completed the controls and verified the false interpretations then you can give up?

Where is the 1954 enders paper. dr podbielski pointed out this paper had no controls. This was described as unscientific and contradictory.

Is this the same paper? Just the abstract. Looks the same but this is june the link was may.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/13177653/

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3181/00379727-86-21073

So the nobel prize in medicine was awarded for the 1954 june paper. Why did this happen?

Snakes

The Chinese scientists who thus claim that the majority of the nucleic acids from which the genome of the new China Corona Virus 2019 has been ‘sequenced’ (4) are largely derived from the DNA of venomous snakes are, like all of us, victims of a by now global misdirection. The more ‘viral’ DNA strands are invented in the way previously described, the more similar a new ‘virus’ is to everything that has been ‘established’ before.

https://greatreject.org/dr-stefan-lanka-claims-about-viruses-are-false/

Yeah that Dr Mark Bailey and Dr John Bevan-Smit document is a great read. Still reading it. This is the logical conclusion/evidence and takes into account the big picture/agenda. Sanders doesn't address this enough for me and says he has had at least one injection from what I remember when I looked at fb months ago when first challenged him. So for Sanders the state jab is ok for some at least/ wear a mask not to stop getting the virus but stop the spread. would he recommend social distancing. Sanders is off/wrong. Plus his big article and some of it could be considered. Perhaps a combo of truth and untruths. Muddle up agent for the intellectual curiosity minded.

Yes its the same paper ,I suppose the Enders paper did have a little control experiment as they did a 2nd culture , but this wasn't deemed to be a scientific paper in the measles trial and I can see why .

Sanders actually blocked me after leaving a comment , typical sh1tbag tactic , that's one way to actually appear to win a debate , the problem is he has so much conviction for a position he cannot justify .  I can see why there is so much confusion though , when you listen to virologists talking with so much confidence about how they track this virus in real time  and how they know its real , they actually believe what they are saying but they don't see to want to deal with the part where they know if they actually have a virus or not , for them all illness are viruses , there is no other explanation and there doesn't need to be , they can test for genetic material and they will find this in most people , to the point where 90% dont have any symptoms , but they still have viruses , this the morphs into we have a virome and out DNA is made up of viruses.  Its absurd . They never find a virus , they equate known genetic sequences  as parts of viruses and then claim we are made of viruses . 

Its like, there is a cake in that building , cakes are made from sugar , buildings are made from sugar , aliens and UFO's are made from brown sugar .

https://www.bitchute.com/video/A89qOnqhkGhC/    Andy Kaufman doing a full debunk

On the virus denier side , we see readiness for debate , better explanations, control experiments getting the same results with non infected material , explanations for the misconceptions and better explanations of illness .

On the virology side , we see the opposite , its become a religion.

Seen the rest of the frog is lifting vid.  Magnificent question/answer talk. Robert Willner. Only seen the end part of the AIDS vid where you set it at 42 minutes in. What great speaker he was as well. great vid. The Kaufman documentary terrain looks great and is much needed. Still going through the fb discussion, quite a bit to read and the links to investigate. Nearly at the end.. I couldn't see anything which was isolated directly from a diseased person from sanders. Wasn't the original rna genome they used taken from poisonous snakes? Looks like you had a great go. Put the case/truth forward brilliantly. Its hard to say with sanders. I'd guess controlled op. It all seems simply enough reading the pdf virus misconceptions by lanka, other pgfs  the books virus mania, wrmyi for what is happening regarding viruses/dead cells. What about dawn lester and david paker. He says lanka and Kaufman are coning people but the whole terrain side is another massive angle to look at not just those two.   

The original sequence it was compared too was bat SARS-like coronavirus (CoV) isolate—bat SL-CoVZC45
which was also in silico and made up in the same way as was the original SARS.  The reason I only quote Lanka is because hes honest enough , they always bring up the measles case which they are wrong on and the receipts are there to prove it . If you don't understand the difference between a scientific paper and a non scientific paper , then reading the transcripts wont mean much at all as they are reading it all out of context , so they satisfy themselves that the judge says we believe in measles virus , which was a violation and when he wins on appeal with the central point of no scientific paper , Sanders actually believes they are and there was six of them because they were published  so like the fact checkers say he won on a technicality . This is all very easy to shut down if you just read the judge's verdict which i posted . Also hes fully documented control experiments , so then hes a fraud , to which i point out independant labs did the experiments he just co ordinated them and hes actually isolated a virus like structure and sequenced its genome.

But when i asked him to post a paper , he just started spamming pictures with no explanation and didn't actually post a paper ( I didn't check last night)  he seemed oblivious to what I was asking , surely at this point he should come to the realisation ?   I dont quote Kaufman or Cowan or Dawn Lester , Dave Parker , Sam Bailey Stefano Scoglio, Robert Young because it just muddies the water , it just turns into a discrediting match rather than talking about evidence , besides I can read the claims of the papers myself and I can read the methods , its pretty easy now to scan through them to see what they did , none of the involve finding a viral particle and sequencing the particles rna/dna ,If i quote " Robert Young or Dawn Lester  say this virus does not exist they will just attack the people in question , so I stay away from doing that. I really don't understand why he doesn't see it . So like you ive come to the conclusion hes a bad actor , its ok to have a different opinion and argue the science/techniques but hes gone out of his way to discredit all of the skeptic doctors without reading what they are actually saying .   I mean trying to discredit Mike Yeadon , hes been right on everything since day one and is still open to the idea that no virus exists , he knows about midazolam and says that and the lockdown measures account for most of the deaths .

I do think there are possibly skeptic doctors our there that are muddying the water and some will turn out to be wrong , as good as Peter Mccullough , Vernon Coleman Zelenko have been  I don't think they are helping , I cant make the argument about no virus existing which is the central point and then forward any of there videos to people and give the any credibility , if they are wrong about the virus , what else is wrong in what they are saying .

I used to really like Sanders because I thought he was a better thinker/mind than this .

People could frame Kaufman at 1000 an hour as looking bad , but hes just abandoned his MD, so will be doing private his own private practice , so he has to run it as a business to keep a roof over his head , If i go private they will burn through £1000 in a few visits .

Then also consider that anyone who would be willing to spend 1k on a consultation would certainly weed out the time wasters .

This is like what bodybuilding coaches argue about and make videos about every day " he charges too much " but at the end of the day its supply and demand , hes in New York with a lot of wealthy people , so hes probably set his price to the point where hes not working 24/7 and he can continue to live a decent life .  IF he doesn't get any patients im sure that price would come right down , also he does his interviews for free .   

I have messaged Tom Cowan on fungal infections during a webinar and he answered it no problem , this was on subscribe star which costs under £5 a month . I can watch either of there content for free , but  I will pay a little extra to ask direct questions.  Kaufman has also answered a lot of questions when he has been on the webinars which vary from $5-$20 .   So I don't think they are bad actors , but agree this could be framed in a way to make him look bad when it isnt really, he isnt forcing anyone to pay that money , they will do it by there own free will.

Also bare in mind how much research they have both had to do to get to this point , as well as Kaufman making a new documentary 'terrain'  so his time might be very precious as he has kids to feed. 

I asked Sanders for a scientific paper that shows isolation and it was the cause of disease , he just flooded it with screen shots of the articles claims , then said just google it , because if he reads the articles he wont find one .


Found a good one yesterday on HIV , ive put it to the crucial point but the whole video is good.  , it could have been made today about covid .

https://youtu.be/EDa6JE8Izpg?list=FLR7FRHyQBnA_8F3YWulfIQg&t=2526

Looks like Sanders has quadrupled down , hes trying to debunk anything critical , isolation , pcr tests , cherry picking info that suits his stance . Says that all this pisoning monkey kidney cells is legit and people dont know what they are talking about .  He will never ever change his mind or take a backward step , hes put way too much critical stuff out there of the likes of Kaufman do will never admit he could have been wrong.

He ironically has wrote a load of articles about misconceptions about his own misconceptions .  Hes also still a believer in the left/right paradigm , would love to see him debate Kaufman , he would lose 30 nil but it wouldnt sway him.


https://www.neilsandersmindcontrol.com/index.php/blog/covid-misconceptions-debunked?fbclid=IwAR0SXFNuSI3he5IQHYAAVKGVZdNoX4ormln-XJ0tKoL75_agDF8k61EPpX8

It's the hygiene aspects with the terrain group which strikes me as bit contradictory. What about wiping/licking your face on public toilets, not washing hands. Drink glass of cholera. The extreme things look they do make/contribute/add to stress on a healthy terrain. Some might get away with it. How strong can a healthy terrain be?

I am on the terrain side. but Something is missing.

Most people are not prepared to better their terrain/health. They want a bad lifestyle and the big pharm drugs to hold off the symptoms.

That is hilarious with the dogs. If they didn't wash the plates after with hot soapy water that strikes me utterly disgusting. My cat sometimes licks the last bit runny eggs and eats a bit of red salmon from my plate when I'm done with my evening meal at around 11pm. But it gets washed after. Plus he is a cat. Less/no slobber. I actually remember a friend. His grandparents with the dog/plate repulsive situation. And they just put the plates back in cupboard. Like you I wouldn't want to try that regardless of my healthy terrain. 

From I have seen in person it is hard to convince people there is no connection. They would always say well wife had a sore throat/mild cold and a few days later I got something the same. Its happened before as well. Many times. They would say. I said its something which you have to document and record. Its a nice divide tool as well. Even mild "viruses" people blame each other.

Wasn't neil sanders mind control man in my camp1. Wasn't he? Something not right there.

I will watch some of that vid now.

Problem with licking public toilet seats is that you would be digesting toxic waste products , such as sh1t and gone of **** which would probably be converting to ammonia along with all kinds of bleaches and toilet fresheners , not to sound crude but ive rimmed the bird to death like im digging for gold and im sure i would have had a gob full at some point and yes ive always been fine , pretty sure any kind of oral would results in some transfer of all bodily fluids and wastes .  I have been ill at the same tie as the ex but this was always food poisoning .   I can understand people may get ill at the same time with a cold or a flu , but that's as far as they look , no one considers pollution , carbon monoxide , weed killer ( roundup) too much alcohol , bad air quality , not enough sun , possibly both sharing lack of sleep for whatever reason ( noisy neighbours) EMF's people mostly blame the virus . But im sure if they didn't get brainwashed with contagion they might look a little deeper and find something else .  If people can drink bottles of cholera and be fine then the bacteria is there because the terrain supports it , it's your bodies janitorial system and is there to help , but yes it can make you unwell as a result of the by products , but they don't make you ill directly and no virus has ever been seen .   If they found TB, meningitis , legionnaires spores on kids masks when sent to a lab that's pretty much confirmation that they are there in spore form because they cant live in that environment , give them sh1tty river  water with corpse poisons  for a few months and you will see them start forming back into bacteria , even then it may be under control , if symptoms worsen they will end up in hospital and be diagnosed with the bacteria that formed or found a good hosts to feed on .

Saunders was definitely in camp one , I haven't checked since as i abandoned that FB account as the MT facebook page was dead . I think he will maintain camp one but give himself permission to step into camp 2 . There was a bioweapon and no they are taking advantage of it, that's my guess and I will check , but there is no way he will go into camp 3 as his ego would be too damaged , which is a shame as this is the crux of the whole problem we face.

I can genuinely understand why Lanka makes no accusations of wrongdoing or fake pandemics , hes giving them a way out where there ego doesn't take a hit.

That looks great. Be nice to steal a vial and stick it under. Do feel you have gained more from using it over reading? Looks a cool thing to buy and play around with.

Would you be ok with a dog licking your dinner plates clean and putting them away ready for the next meal?

Well the msm is starting to hit Djokovic. I would guess he would lose sponsors and other finance gains if he told them straight. But why care anyway?

We don't know what he really thinks. If what msm has said about him is true then some of it is a little off. But some might not be. The energy and water parts might have something to it.

Maybe he really thinks.

1. Infectious agents are transmissible from person to person, viruses do cause disease and sars cov2 is one of them but its been over played for financial/world/social/population cull/passport/cbdc/other change aspects and is a fraud that way.

2. He thinks infectious agents are real, viruses are real. But sars cov2 is not real. And it's for the same reasons above.

3. All viruses are misinterpretations in cell culture. Its a fraud for same reasons above.

This can still be said for some of the public perhaps. Most are not number 3. I think most on the truth side are in 2.

What impact would it have if he did mentioned Lanka, FOI's, the data? Maybe he needs to put his money into getting a public debate set up on msm.

But even most of them like VC, mike yeadon and others would clash with Lanka, bailey, cowan and others.

As we mentioned in the past as long as it's fraud in some way and must stop then that's a win in some ways. Might not stop cbdc though.

Yo will have to fill me on on what Djok has actually said , I haven't seen much about his opinions other than he didnt want to take the shot.

I got my first microscope was I was about 12, so have always had one laying about somewhere , used some decent ones at school , used different ones while working on small electric components , but I have a decent brightfield microscope now but you need stains and dyes to see a lot of transparent stuff like bacteria , but its well capable of seeing them clearly and seeing blood and being to identify red/white blood cells and the different types . also how to prepare a slide properly and when to use coverslips and seeing 'spiked protein' type objects which are nothing of the sort . Also getting your head around we are actually seeing 2d objects and not 3d spheres .  But a Darkfield will eliminate the new for dyes and to be able to see diatoms and saliva etc .

Dog licking plate , no I wouldn't be ok with that as its just not hygenic , they lick there balls and arses , but ive had plenty od dog lick my face , into my mouth and have always been ok , they lick cuts too .

I think your right VC and other would clash with Lanka/Kaufman and maybe that's the debate that needs to happen , I don't think VC is a fraud but he may have spent 50 years learning misconceptions , same with Bhakdi hes well revered in a field based on something that doesn't exist .  I think Mike Yeadon would be more open to the idea as hes a pharmacologist and hes designs drugs for certain problems which probably wouldn't change to much whether a pathogen exists or not .


If the germ theory pushers can win over the terrain theory doctors and they can agree that a pathogen exists then thats the best argument to push forward with Rienner Fuelmich .  I've heard VC talk about exosomes and his experience with illness and what he sees is more in line with germ theory and I can respect that , doesnt mean hes right and better science should replace it as time goes on .

I think the biggest problem with going in with the argument of no virus , the  proof is that the concepts and experiments are wrong , this then applies to all viruses , vaccines , antivirals and would turn medicine on its head with a complete paradigm shift and this would mentally destroy a lot of doctors clinging on to their reputations , student loans , 7-10 years of training a lot of which is useless.  But the truth is the truth , we shouldn't be talking about a virus , its symptoms, masks , its lethality , how to test for it if it doesn't actually exist . Because I have no vested interest or reputation , nor have I stuck my neck out on videos claiming its a cold that enters the lungs , replicates , transmits to other people . So its easy for me to look at the actual evidence.


I did see Kaufman try and debate this with Mikovits , he spoke calmly and went in with evidence , she started bringing up her credentials  and just said he was wrong , she got flustered and they kicked Kaufman off the call.  I think the only person who could articulate the proper evidence for this is Stefan Lanka , hopefully this happens , it needs too. Anyone turning a blind eye to whats hes produced has to be considered controlled oppo imo , whether they know it or not.

Yes looks more like stockholm syndrome than cognitive dissonance now. Maybe both. Its utterly ludicrous, preposterous not see what has happened with the collapsing sports players. Why no investigation? or even a discussion allowed amongst pundits. No alarm bells going for the sheep at this point is comical. As sad as it is I want to see a major name and more players go down to the ground with heart issues. The djokovic situation I don't trust. They might harm/kill him as an example. Nice hit piece for the sheep to point at. I don't engage with any of it I avoid all social media best I can. Its the new normal with the British heart foundation ad. or trying to make you it was always happening.

I agree few bacteria/germs like you said with the chicken juice will not harm you.  How do you end up getting chicken juice in your mouth? Round the sink etc yes. I bit like that wouldn't harm you. But eating well under cooked chicken, like med/rare steak. I think I would get ill every time or most times. Certain "germs" or in certain "quantities" must make people ill.

I stopped eating lots of chicken over the week years ago. but I don't consider my self a bodybuilder, never have or will go on a stage. I just lift 3 times a week. I eat a different beast most days. I'm no stranger to skin and marbling either. Duck, venison, beef, chicken, pork chops, organs. Fish, eggs, rice, salad in the evening. Couldn't eat all that chicken.

I think the djokovic situation is theatre , I would bet on them not letting him play , or they will rub our noses in it because hes in the one eye club/elite and let people know theres one rule for them and one for us plebs.

Yeah with the Chicken i've always had my routine , defrost it , wash it in the colander in the sink ( splashes everywhere onto the draining board)  and then stick it in the slow cooker and wash the pots in the same sink after just a quick rinse, no disinfectant just a  bit of fairy liquid , the girlfriend pointed this out to me after i offered to make her a brew which was washed in the same water , she always disinfects and refused the brew, but i do wie down the worktops with wipes.  So ive been doing this unknowingly and always been ok .   If there are bad bacteria such as salmonella then you would have to consider what state the chicken was in for that to survive , besides I think most chickens are fed a diet of antibiotics in food now as well . Having said that I wouldn't eat raw or undercooked chicken and would still avoid it .   But yes I can see that raw chicken may be toxic or poisonous but I dont think its the bacteria but the state of the meat.

torsten engelbrecht has drank isolated cholera many times and hes always been fine . I would like to see what happens if someone did it with E Coli or salmonella .

Why not call it virus/pathogenic vs terrain? Yawning and perhaps a few other can be observed. Its not the same as a pathogenic microorganism, a contagious protein coated virus which they then say is the course a disease.  We know bacterium has many attributes, we are in a germ world and that's good thing. Don't some "germs" do you do us harm like the raw chicken situation. Do you agree with that? I will go over the bacteria and fungus again in the WRMYI book. Lanka said the basic biological life is togetherness, it is symbiosis, and in there is no place for war and destruction. Out of time. dr podbielski and the john franklin enders 1954 paper. something about that. its gone now. out of time.

that would make sense the emf/distress like plants. this could "triggered" someone close by. Not an infectious agent. Nobody has caught any virus. they are triggered in some way.

The twiiter users saying the heart problems at football games in the croud was always there, but st john don't tackle the problem now. the on site doctors do. so the games stops and we now notice it. Even if that is true what about the in the players collapsing on the pitch?. they don't address that. Does DV have anything to say on that?

We had on average 6 players per year retiring due to heart problems , in 7 months we had over 670 . maybe some in crowds happened but not on this scale , this wasn't always there .  If this happened in March 2020 can you imagine how much they would have blown it out of proportion in blaming covid ?

I have stopped using twitter because im usually talking to bots/retards or lefties. Maybe people being surrounded by 20-30k phones might have some effect ?  I mean look at the Travis Scott concert , when was the last time 8 people died of heart failure at a concert ?  People who have taken the jabs will tell themselves this has always happened , they have joined a cult, its part of the mass psychosis . When was the last time you saw 2-3 games every weekend with sometimes 2-3 people needing treatment being postponed ?   The same people will tell you 2020 was a pandemic despite the vaccine year having more deaths  .  There survival instincts have been removed and they have stockholm syndrome .  Most of the heart problems I have seen have been before kick off which led to a delayed start . They are in denial .   Why didn't the British heart foundation have a collapsing footballer on an advert before the jab rollout ?

Dont know if you have considered somatids and pleomorphism yet but this is spores, bacteria changing forms , i looked into this for my toe nail infections , its been observed many times since the early 1900 and confirmed by Lanka/Young and many more but is largely ignored .   The chicken question I am still not certain on , I will eat around 5kg per week, there is many times I will inadvertently get raw chicken juice in my mouth , in the sink , then onto cups and cutlery and i've been fine for the last 10 years . Maybe if the chicken is decomposing and starting to smell it will be swarmed with microbes ( eating the chicken ) that will give you a the runs or puking . I certainly wouldn't be putting raw chicken in my mouth and wouldnt say its safe but I don't think you eat a few bacteria and they multiply and turn into gastro .  I mean there a re a few times i've gone to an indian restaurant and eaten cooked chicken and been ill along with everyone at the table who ordered the same meat.